Season 2: Episode 14 - Launching from a Healed Heart

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Welcome to the Joy-Inspired Podcast. I'm Mickey Cruz, and I'm thrilled to explore with you what it means to walk in a faith-infused business. This is your space to find powerful tools and insights, to build with resilience and to create impact through your unique purpose, discovering a joy that only God can provide. Together, let's embrace a business journey anchored in faith and empowered by joy. Let's jump in. Well, hello there, amazing, amazing Kingdom entrepreneurs. It's your favorite joy junkie, Nikki Cruz, and we are here to just celebrate God, celebrate God in our businesses. And all us joy-chasing entrepreneurs, welcome back. And if there's someone you know should be watching this, be sure to tag them or share this with them. Because this is the joy-inspired podcast, where joy isn't just acute feeling. Joy is actually a strategy, it's a weapon, and it's a whole kingdom lifestyle. You know, I get excited every time we get to talk about purpose, healing, and building businesses that look like those Fortune and function, by the way, like those Fortune 500 companies, but this time for Jesus. And today, today I have the incredible honor of having our guest here who always makes me feel whenever we talk, I feel her energy, but I also feel her peace. And it's absolutely a beautiful. We have this amazing, brilliant, heart-healing powerhouse, Jennifer Jenny Norwick, founder of Freedom for Life Coaching. This woman carries wisdom, peace, and a whole lot of Holy Ghost oxygen, folks. So hang on there. When you talk to you, your heart takes deep breath and you just breathe. And today she's going to help us explore what it truly means to launch from a healed heart. All right, you ready? Grab your coffee, grab your pen, grab your paper, and step into some peace as you just take a moment to receive. Jennifer, Jen, my friend, welcome. I'm so excited to have you here. So for those who have never met you before, tell us, who do you serve and what is it that you actually do? Tell us a bit about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Well, good morning, Nikki. And I've I've got my Bible and I've got my coffee. So we are in the right place here today. Awesome. So, as Nikki said, I'm Jenny Nowak, and my husband and I do premarital counseling for engaged and newlywed Christian couples. Because we have found not only is it so important to check the finances, check the love language, check how you fight. Yes, there is a right way to fight, but it's also important that when you find differences, you have a platform, a framework to turn those differences into healing and prevent irreconcilable differences. So that's what that's what we do. We do a coaching program, we do the standard things that everybody's got to know to have that good marriage, a good relationship, and we marry it with heart healing so that those differences don't become destructive.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Wow. Wouldn't you guys like to have had that? Like if you're married 20 years ago when you got married? Because it's so true. Hey, if you tell me you've had a marriage with no fights, I'm gonna tell you there's something wrong. But there are differences, and we get to love and respect them. And what if we could incorporate them to create strengths between us? That's what you guys do. Yes, and I know that you also prevent people from dragging all their old baggage into their relationships. But you said something on your form that I absolutely loved. That four years ago you became a kingpreneur. Can you tell us what that shift looked like for you? What did God change in you to make that shift? Yeah. What did business start to look like that was different when Jesus stepped in as your CEO?

SPEAKER_00 5:02

What a beautiful process. Yes. I I've always had God ideas. And my father was an entrepreneur, and he would get out there and put his ideas into play, and he did well with it. Um, so I had a business mindset, but when I got hold of letting Jesus be the CEO, serving the way he wants to serve, helping people thrive and flourish under his lordship and not feel trapped under it. Oh my gosh, it was so beautiful. Um, the creativity part of that, it wasn't just my rigid business mindset that was good. It was, Jesus, what are we creating today? And what needs to be healed in my heart so that we can do that? And wow, I mean, you can tell by the look on my face that has changed. You hit a topic that is so near and dear because it's not just about Jesus, do this with me, it's Jesus do this in me so that I can do this through you.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

And that that truly is where the joy lies. Because when we do it in partnership with Jesus, the striving stops. And it's so much easier when you let him be in control. Take so much of the pressure off, and we don't realize that. And I think it's the same in our relationships. When you we involve Jesus in our relationship, you know, and it does take an identity shift because you are no longer the one in charge. And the identity shift, folks, comes before the business shift. And that is such a powerful thing that us entrepreneurs get to learn. And sometimes we make that decision, and then we kind of forget we made that decision. You know, Isaiah 43, 19 reminds us, behold, I am doing a new thing. Do you not perceive it? And when we forget, he does that new thing again. So there's no shame, there's no condemnation. Sometimes we can't perceive the new thing because of those old wounds, and they're still yelling louder than God's whisper. And sometimes when God's voice is loud, those old wounds and defensiveness get even louder. So our episode today is titled Launching from a Healed Heart. And I believe somebody just convicted and set free out there just by sharing that. Can you share a specific moment where healing unlocked a breakthrough in your business or perhaps in a client?

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yes, all the time. All the time. I'll I'll share one of my it's a it's a personal story, but it's based off of a client's story. And so I had a client who was trying to launch a business and she was doing okay with it, but it wasn't really taking off. And we were trying to pray through what was going on and what was happening. And in the midst of one of our sessions, Holy Spirit revealed to her that she had judged her mother for not being organized. And oh my gosh, anybody who's tried to launch a business, if you're not organized, you know the thousand ways that that can go wonky. And so we prayed through that. We prayed through the wounds, the disappointments, the parties, the schedules, the dance recitals, the no outfits, the all the things that organization had impacted uh in her as a child. And then we started looking at not only were there hurts, but she had judged her mom, right? Where we take the bad attitude of why can't you just do it right? Why can't I just show up like the other kids with the stuff that I need? Wow. Does that sound like conversations we have with ourselves around business, right? Why can't I just launch this thing right? Why can't I just show up for my event with all of the things in order? So we were able to break the that judgment off of her and the expectation that said, you know what, I'm never going to be as organized as I need to be to be able to get done what the Lord has for me to do for him. So we got her free from all of that. It took what 30 minutes, you know, a drop of nothingness in our span of life. And literally in the next couple of weeks, she went out totally renewed, differently focused, more happy and creative in what she was producing. And so that was beautiful in and of itself. Now I'm the coach, but in the middle of this, Holy Spirit is dropping in my mind, in my heart, Jen, we need to talk about this later. And I'm like, okay, make a note of it because right now I'm a little busy. But later, Holy Spirit and I sat down and I'm like, what? And he's like, You've judged your mom for not being organized. We were a family of four, uh, four kids. People were everywhere all the time. We were always late, always missing something, never quite had it all together. And I was like, gosh, Holy Spirit, you are so right. And got my husband and prayed the same prayers as Holy Spirit led us. And again, that totally shifted my organizational skills. They were there. I didn't have to learn new skills, but I wasn't being blocked from using them because of patterns I had put in place in the supernatural. And so now it's it's funny because in one of my businesses, my clients say, You are like the the organizational queen, Jenny. Everything is and it runs so smoothly. And I'm like, oh, thank you, Jesus. Yeah. And that's what our coaching does. That's the freedom that it brings, not only in the clients, but back in me, my husband, my family, all the time by listening to Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Oh, and and I love that you pointed that out because so often we're very quick to share our stories of the transformation and the empowerment we bring to clients. But every time we take a step, God is empowering and equipping us for our next level. We never stop growing. Can you imagine if we stopped growing? If you imagine, God said, You got to the end of your journey, you've achieved. So there's always more, folks. But I bet you, just like you realize the Holy Spirit was speaking to you, someone listening right now is sitting there thinking, wait, is that me? You know, when you get that feeling and thinking, where did she get my number? Has she been reading my mail? So tell us, how does somebody know if wounds or judgments or expectations are actually blocking their progress?

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yes. Well, our our foundational scripture, and I'm I'm reading it over here so that I get it perfectly right to represent the word, but our foundational scripture comes from Luke chapter 4, verses 18 and 19. And Jesus shows up in the temple, and the priest hands him the scroll and says, You know, Rabbi, would you read for us today? And he reads out of Isaiah 61, and it says, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, and to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. So we know that we're wounded because Jesus said, I gotta heal your broken heart. Wow, if he says I'm wounded, who am I to say, yeah, no, that didn't really hurt? So, Nikki, that's number one. The scripture flat up tells us that we're wounded. The other ways that we know is when there's frustration, right? So in our words, in our tone of voice, you, if you if you listen to yourself, if you're honest with yourself, we hear disappointment, we hear frustration, we hear that things that come out of our mouths that are I can't, well, I don't know, but what if those are all signs of wounds, places we've been hurt before, and we don't trust that it's gonna go well. So we go, but what if? And we pull back. That's a definite sign of wounding. And the last one, definitely if there's any anger in your voice, we have a catchphrase that we tell everybody to write down anger is the manifestation of a wound. Think about if you have bruises, a broken arm, and maybe it's not casted, it's healing up, okay, or you haven't been to the doctor yet, and somebody comes by and goes, Hi, Jenny. And instead of a hi, they get a wow, that hurts. Why are you touching me? That anger is the definite sign that there's something underneath there that's not healing, but it's festering. That's a that's a wound, that's a hurt.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

And that is so true and so good. And uh, yeah. But then we sit there and we do the forgiveness work. Doesn't the forgiveness work just take care of the healing? Why do we still need healing after we've done the forgiveness?

SPEAKER_00 14:45

I love this question, and I get it almost every session that I do, definitely every first session that I do with a client, and I hear it again and again, but I've forgiven him, her, them, all, everybody. I've forgiven. If you go back to that same scripture, Jesus says, I came to bring the gospel, the good news. And what is that good news? The good news is that we're forgiven, and as we've been forgiven, we can forgive others. And that's what the church preaches today, right? Forgiveness unto salvation, come to Jesus. Yay! But Jesus didn't stop there. That's the doorway to the kingdom. You go, I don't want to stand at the doorway, Nikki. I want to get in the kingdom and access all the stuff that God says guidance, provision, protection, right? And so forgiveness is a starting place, and it's imperative. We we pray, pronounce, declare freedom all the time in our sessions. And we go the next step and say, Jesus, heal the broken heart, set the captive free, open their eyes to the blind spots. So it's definitely important, but it's a launching foundation, it's not an ending spot.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

That's amazing. And I, you know, what comes to mind is a while back I was driving after I got really mad about something, and onto the radio came this thing on forgiveness. And I thought, okay, Lord, and this one is not for me to gain knowledge so I can teach it. This is for me. But one of the things that was said, which I found incredibly powerful and interesting, is people say, you know, if you remember, it means you haven't forgiven. And the guy said, That is so untrue because forgiveness is a spiritual work. Forgetting is a biological function in your brain. And I thought, wow, that is so true. Yeah, and you can do one out of obedience and discipline, and the other takes time. What is your response to that? I don't know if you've ever heard that before.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

I have heard that and I have experienced that. If you look at our lives, we have this fraction of a second when we're in the here and now. And then we have thousands of memories that we base every decision that we make off of. And then hopefully we also have a couple hundred to hundred thousand of promises of God that are our future that we also look to, right? But so the the actual here and now Jenny in the flesh is a is a millisecond. So there's a lot of memories going on in our world, which is where that forgiveness peace comes from, right? Did I forget it? Did I not? And so again, here's here's my hope for our clients. There are things that have happened to me that I remember all the time. But because of the forgiveness and the wounds being healed and the judgments released and the expectations being loosed, they don't bring me pain anymore. Right? I've shared with you, Nikki, that I'm I'm a survivor of childhood sexual trauma. I got a lot of rights, if you will, to be angry about some things. But that that scripture that says, be angry and sin not, I was sinning in that. But I forgave. Jesus healed those hurts, walked the whole process several times through. It wasn't a one-time event. It took many times of praying because there were many events, but I can think about that now and it doesn't hurt. I can think about the person and it doesn't hurt. That's how I know that I'm healed and that I'm free.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

And it is part of who you are, and it has brought out a beautiful side in you as you've led into that forgiveness. And I think that's a huge part of healing, folks, that we don't recognize. Yes, it would have been great if those bad things didn't happen, but they did. And they can either destroy our lives, yeah, or we can work through it and they can bring a testimony of healing.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

And you don't get you don't need to celebrate that those things happened to you, but you can celebrate the fact that you've been healed from them. And I don't know why that's so heavy on my heart to say at the moment. So it, you know, let's take that concept because these personal things, and all of us have these things happen just to a greater or lesser degree. And people say, Oh, but I don't have any big thing in my life. You know, the big things and the small things are all things, and the things all have repercussions and reactions to them, and they affect how you run your life and your business. Yeah, so you know, God comes up with ideas, and um you just battle with it, perhaps because there's some brokenness. So here's another one people wrestle with. I'm pursuing my God idea. Won't God just take care of all the challenges? And I think in the relationship too, God gave me this relationship, so won't He just smooth everything out? Talk to that.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Well, the short answer is no. Uh, God's job isn't to control us, God's job is to guide, to protect, to make opportunities, but it's our job to walk those things out, right? Do all things in excellence unto the Lord as a um workman. I'm forgetting the rest of it, created in his image. That that's probably a conglomeration. Don't get on me for summarizing. But we are called to do things in excellence. That that means we have to keep improving, we have to keep doing. We don't have the option to just sit and wait and see what God's gonna produce and drop in our lap. Now, he does drop some really amazing things in our lap that that can be additional launch places and foundations for us, but we're still called to do the things. We're called to send the email, we're called to do the summit. And there are challenges in those things because we are not living in resurrected bodies in the new kingdom yet. We are still here on earth dealing with our flesh, dealing with a lot of other people's flesh, dealing with the hard knocks of technology and all of the different things that we have that aren't renewed yet. And again, the more that we are trapped in patterns. From hurts and judgments and expectations, the more difficult those things can be. Instead of walking the process freely, I mean, marathon runners, uh, Olympians, they still trip and stub their toes sometimes. And there's not condemnation in that. It's like, wow, that just happened and keep going. So learning again the process of I'm okay with keeping going. Yes, that thing happened, but I'm showing up anyway. And when I can, I'm gonna take a second with Holy Spirit and get that thing freed. So I'm released from it, is just the process that we get to to walk through.

unknown 22:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

And and God is not somebody asked me the other day, how do you ask God for peace? And I said, God doesn't come along and dump out a bucket load of peace on you, you know. The peace is there, you get to choose to step into it, and there's a big difference there.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

That's another one of my favorite topics, because as uh kingdom preneurs, entrepreneurs, kingdom business people, there are lots of places in our day-to-day life and happenings where peace is not at the forefront. All right, even in our coaching sessions, people are coming to us because they're not thriving in that peace. Um, and this is one of those mindset shifts that says instead of I need peace to come to me, it's like, well, where is peace? Well, Jesus says, I am your peace. Whoa, right? Well, where is Jesus? Where is Holy Spirit? He is in me, he is on me, he is all around me. So it's not that I need peace to come, I get to speak to that peace that's in me and say, Jesus, Prince of peace, you rise up in me right now because we got to go have peace in this thing. And then I get to practice peace, I get to practice the presence of Jesus and say, okay, when things are not bad, when things are not unpeaceful, I get to practice being in that peace of Jesus all the time so that when I need it, it's right here. The same way that this might be silly, the same way that I know where my lip gloss is, I know how to access the peace of Christ in my life instantaneously. Yep. That's it's right here. I don't have to go find it, Nick. I did Nikki, it's yeah, just right here.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

You can just, it's literally there. You step into it, it is a choice, just like joy. And you know, I love that you say practice it when things are calm because then it becomes easy and familiar. It's one of those muscles that you build, you exercise it. And just going back to our last question, my God will just fix everything. No, peace doesn't mean everything will be fixed. And in your business, there will be days where there is chaos. And remember, my acronym for chaos, you know, it means creating hope and opportunity strategically. So you see drama, you see things, and you look at it and you say, What is the gift in that?

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

How can I turn that into a learning, into something beautiful? What comes good out of it? What good comes out of it? But it's the same here. And when you step into that peace, it doesn't mean everything suddenly goes right. It means God doesn't still the storm, but you have peace in the storm.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

And that's the difference. It's your response to it. And that comes from faith and trust. You know, God will breathe on your calling, God will strengthen your assignment, he'll give you power, but your participation is always going to be part of the process. Yes. In Philippians, it actually tells us it is God who works in you both to will and to act. He works in you, but you work with him. You know, it's a combination there. So you have this amazing insight, you have this amazing sensitivity and closeness with God. Tell us more about the programs and support that you currently offer.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

I would love to, Nikki. Um, so Chris, my husband and I, we've been married 30 years, almost 31, and we've been teaching this framework, gosh, probably for 29 years. Maybe, maybe 28 years. It's been a it's been a long time. What we're currently offering, Nikki, we help engaged and newlywed couples lay a foundation so that they don't bring the baggage of hurts, childhood, the workplace, all of those things into their vows. And instead of just getting married, saying the vows, having a covenant and saying, Oh, we're going to go live happily ever after, we give them the tools to actually do that so that they can walk in the healing and the freedom and go from vows to really that happily ever after and the forever victory. Now, it doesn't mean there are no fights, it doesn't mean there are no disappointments, it doesn't mean that you might not have a family event that is really difficult, but we teach you the tools to be able to navigate those together and to be able to come through the other side, right? Low, though I walk through the valley of death. So these are these are skills to help you walk through. So we do a 12-week coaching program. We do it individually, we do it in small groups. Uh, we start with the Simbus assessment, saving your marriage before it starts. I'm like, that's golden. We did not come up with that. Um, it's an assessment that millions of couples have taken that identifies uh where you think the same, where you think differently, in in all of the basic areas of relationship, um, finances, love, um, fighting, family, uh, personalities. Oh, I'm just like that. It's like, well, maybe you are, and maybe you're just functioning out of wounds and judgments. But so we take those basic areas and in those 12 weeks, not only do we help them see differences and what they can do about it, differences aren't bad. I need, I need differences, right? My husband cooks and cleans. Thank the Lord. We are different in that. And so differences can be great, but we also teach them how to do the heart healing on top of that. So if the differences are causing distress and difficulty, then we teach them how to have conversations and how to have prayer around those specific items so that they can clear that and have clear expectations moving forward. And it's a skill that they take into their future. And then we also not, it's not, it's not over and done at the end of 12 weeks, right? We've been doing this for 30 years. And I can tell you, we have prayed our way through so many things: bullying, cancer, premature deaths in the family. I mean, just so many things that can crash a relationship. Uh, and yet we're still here because the framework works. It's what Jesus said in Luke 4, 18 and 19. But we all know that we need maintenance, right? We need continued support. That's why we don't go to church on one Sunday and get baptized and never go back again because we need that fellowship of believers. So we also do three-month, six-month, one-year checkups, if you will, marriage checkups to make sure that things are still going well and that they're remembering and using the strategies that they've learned.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

And, you know, I was fortunate enough to be at a church when we got married and we were about to come to the states. So we kind of ended up doing a premarital course all on our own. But there are so many folks who've said, I wish I'd had some foundation before I got married. And if you know somebody who's engaged, be a friend and tell them to get some counsel, some wisdom, not because there's anything wrong with them, but because they get to be educated. And Jen is the perfect person for them to connect with. And how about your church? Do they offer something to help you go into your marriages, your relationships from a healed heart? If not, hey, be sure to connect them with Jen because this is something that I, from experience, I haven't done Jen's course, but have seen the power of it. And don't write it off just because you're already married, because you know what? You have a relationship with your business and your business partners, and there is heart healing that may be needed there. And I might be uh kind of warping who Jen works with, but I believe that those entrepreneurs get to have that healing too. So, what if you're an entrepreneur about to get married? Do you want all that baggage coming in? And I just say this not because this is an advert for Jen, but I know her heart, I know the power of her ministry, and I know the healing she brings. So if you're stirred, if you feel it, if you want to connect with her, Jenny, where can they get hold of you? And it will be in the show notes below. But grab your pen and paper. Where's the best place they can reach you?

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Beautiful. Probably the most direct place, Nikki, is on our website. So www.freedom-the number four-life.com. You can find out more about Chris and I, some other coaches that work with us, the different programs that we offer. There's a chat button there, there's an email, a connect with us there, and we would love to talk more. There's also for your lovely listeners, Nikki, we do a 30-minute tell me more call because your specifics are not everybody's, right? So Nikki will have a link in the show notes down below for our 30-minute free tell me more call. And we'd love to tell you more about what we do and how we can work with you in your specific instance.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

That is super generous of you. Thank you so much. And I can tell you, your heart will melt because this lady is amazing and the Holy Spirit just moves around her. So, Jenny friend, thank you so much for your heart today. Thank you for just sharing your wisdom and even your vulnerability. But most of all, thank you for your obedience and your yes to God in what you do. So, to each of you, share me. You were not designed to go limping through your calling, your business, or your relationships. You weren't designed to go dragging baggage in old wounds. But you know what you were designed for? You were designed for healing, for restoration. And here it is. Healing is not a luxury, it is actually a strategy. So please be sure, go follow Jennifer at Freedom for Life Coaching, book that session, start the process, and launch from a healed heart. This is your friend Nikki Cruz, your joy junkie, your purpose type, hype woman cheering you on, helping you find joy in your purpose, clarity in your calling. And again, a huge big thank you to Jennifer. Any last words of wisdom? And I want to ask you rapid fire question. What is your favorite scripture when you're in a place of hurt?

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Well, yeah, rapid fire. That's the easy one. That's that Luke 4, 18 and 19, because I know his heart is for me. And the end of that is that he proclaims the favorable year of the Lord, which I want to walk in God's favor always. And if you read it out of Isaiah 61, he also talks about rebuilding ruined cities. And that is so my heart and my passion. That if we have ruined places in us, that is not God's plan and purpose for us, but he has healing, he has hope, he has rebuilding, he has favor, he has anointing, he has all of that for us if we'll step into it with him.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Absolutely. And that's that whole restoration thing. Folks, do you see why we get on so well? We're all about joy, we're all about peace, and we're all about restoration and rebuilding and reclaiming what God has called us to. Okay, favorite book.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

This one right, other than the Bible. Can it be the one that I'm writing? We're actually writing our curriculum. It's gonna come out in June as a devotee.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Tell me more, tell us more.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

So I had an opportunity to write a book last year, Position for Victory, which just sparked all of those juices in us and in me. And my husband said, Why aren't we writing our book? I'm like, Well, you are right. Let's write our book. And so we have been working for about three to six months now on getting this curriculum in a devotional journal. So it's not just read, read, read, but it's now really apply it and all sorts of links to downloads, resources, videos. Um, so we are really excited about that. We don't even have a title yet, but it's probably, you know, Freedom for Life from Old Wounds to Heart Healing, God's Way, something great like that. So we are super excited that that's coming out. Again, if if you follow us on social media, which Nikki will have somewhere for you, or at our website, we'll make sure you get that information. But one of the most transformational books for me was this one. I don't know if you can see this. This is a John Kingsley Alley book, The Apostolic Revelation, the Reformation of the Church. And what are church leaders supposed to look like and function as? And it's not what we think, folks. And so it has changed my ministry. It's changed how we, Christopher and I interact with church leaders and how we even pray and bring healing when we do minister to leaders. Um, because those are actually our three target art audiences, Nikki, if I can make another plug here. Definitely the engaged and newlyweds, because we want to lay that foundation, not only for their marriage to be great, but so they don't mess up their kids. The entrepreneurs, because as an entrepreneur, that is so my heart that we represent the kingdom well and that that favor that is on us can go forward to our communities and we can really make lasting change. And then our third target audience is church leaders. Oh my gosh, we all know whether you've led a Bible study or you've led the greeters, or you are leading as a senior pastor of a ministry, you know how much hurt and disappointment and all of the stuff there is for those leaders. And so when the top, when the oil can flow down from the top, down to the hems of the robe and out to the people, then again, lasting change and lasting freedom can come to churches and families and communities.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love that. That's beautiful. We're very quick to judge our church leaders instead of to stop and be praying for them and to lift them up. They carry a huge responsibility, and that can weigh heavy. So we get to support them rather than judge them. And I love that you're you're looking at that and equipping church leaders.

unknown 39:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

So, folks, stay tuned. There's exciting things coming, and I know that's just the beginning of what you are going to be hearing from Jen and Christopher. So, folks, stay blessed, stay joy-filled, and have an amazing week. And I look forward to seeing you next week on the Joy Inspired Podcast. Bye all. Thank you so much for joining me on the Joy Inspired Podcast at www.joinspiredpodcast.com. Make sure you hit that subscribe button so that you can get this and every other episode that comes out. We have lots of great stuff coming, and you don't want to miss it. So make sure to hit that subscribe. I'm so grateful for all the reviews and comments, and I look forward to serving you in next week's episode.